New organs from Rodgers

It's nice to see Rodgers has addressed the small church, chapel and studio/home organ market. The new Insignia and Allegiant organs are absolutely incredible!

If you or your church is thinking about purchasing a small organ for practice at home, chapel or small church you must play these instruments first. MIDI keyboard musicians will find they have many more features to work with, such as panning, chorus, transposition and much more per keyboard. Additionally each keyboard offers 128 levels of velocity control for accurate dynamic and harmonic reproduction of the internal Roland MIDI voices. Organists that appreciate quality pipe organ sound will like the fact that these organs can be voiced for the room.

These organs are equipped with numerous preset memory pistons that organists and MIDI musicians can appreciate. Quick sound changes are as easy as pressing the desired preset button that you have programmed. Churches that include contemporary music in worship can enjoy all styles of music from one instrument that has an incredible on-board sound system, or add external speakers for bigger sound if necessary.

If you church is considering the purchase of a new organ you've got to play the new Insignia and Allegiant organs from Rodgers. You'll quickly see that no other organ can compare.

Keith

Allegiant 678, A & B Audio

I have 6 really large speakers and a powered subwoofer in my audio system. Presently, I'm using 4 speakers and the subwoofer by connecting through the 1/4 inch ports under the manuals. It is really an extraordinarily lush sound when used in combination with the A678 internal speaker system. In fact, it is SPECTACULAR!!!!

I would like to use the remaining two speakers (located in an adjoining room) as antiphonals using a second amplifier. Everything is in place, but I need to access the signal out for the final two speakers.

A & B audio

The AB tabs control the MAIN and ANTIPHONAL outputs. Using the 1/4" jacks pretty much defeats the usefulness of the AB tabs.

If you have eight independent amplifier/speaker channels, then you should have your dealer connect the 678's six MAIN channels and two ANTIPHONAL channels to them......and not use the 1/4" jacks. Only then will you be able to make use of the AB tabs.

Best regards,

Roy Hanson

A & B Audio

Roy,

Thanks for the information. I didn't know the 678 had 8 independent amp/speaker channels. I thought the sound couldn't be improved over what I have now, but this is yet another pleasant surprise. I'm looking into getting the channels hooked up. I appreciate your help.

John

A & B Audio

Hi John,

You're very welcome. You'll find a world of difference separating the audio channels. I'm sure Ken can answer any additional questions you may have.

Best regards,

Roy

Allegiant 678 Technical Audio Question

On the new Allegiant 678, there is a grouping of 3 audio tabs: internal audio off, external audio A, external audio B. I want to use both of them.

1. What is needed to plug into these two audio (A and B) outs? Is additional hardware (and technical assistance) needed?

2. How are the A,B external audio different from the two 1/4 inch, audio out sockets under the manuals?

I'm really enjoying the Allegiant 678 and so glad I bought it. Well done, Rodgers!!!!

External A & B

Thanks for the kind words. I'm happy you're enjoying you're new 678. With reference to external audio A and external audio B, you state, "I want to use both of them." I'd need more information. My first question question is why? The second question is for what? Knowing what you are trying to accomplish would be needed to answer your questions. The 1/4 audio out jacks located on the I/O panel are intended to deliver a stereo signal to another audio system such as a church PA system. I would suggest contacting your local dealer since they would have familiarity with your instrument as well as your particular room size and acoustics.

Best regards,

Roy Hanson

reply

I happen to be in search of cheapo possibilities for external speakers on an Insignia 535. Since this is the age of home stereo systems with multiple small(ish) speakers instead of the mammoth speaker cabinets of yesteryear, I was wondering of one could simply get a used stereo of that type, place the speakers from it in nooks and crannies around the church (with one or more subwoofers along the back wall of the sanctuary) and play the organ directly through them, plugging a single connection into both 1/4-inch output jacks in the console and splitting the connection for each speaker (or pair).

535 Speakers

Rodgers strives to emulate the sound of pipes, including the placement of pipes in a given space. Placing speakers here and there throughout a space will not sound at all authentic, and will be confusing to the listener. Normally when listening to an organ, one is accustomed to the sound coming from a specific area, similar to having ranks of pipes placed in one location. The 535 console is designed with a tuned enclosure for the speakers used in that organ. Using small home stereo type speakers will not properly produce the sound of the organ; it will likely sound thin and without proper dimension.

Regards,

Roy Hanson

Yes, Rodgers is the best.

Yes, Rodgers is the best. Thanks Mark

Two of the most important

Two of the most important missing stops on the three manual are an enclosed Festival Trumpet and the two 32 foot pedal reeds, This is very easy to fix. On the one 32 foot stop simply make palette 2 which is vacant the soft 32 foot reed and palette 3 the louder 32 foot reed. I've noticed that one the 32 bombard is selected on our 808 adding the other 32 foot pedal doesn't add that much. How Advances In Modern Holography and Digital Imaging Have Altered Our Understanding of Vision and Perception.

Features

Thanks for your suggestion. It will be forwarded to Dan Miller our Product Manager.

Regards,

Roy Hanson

Pledge of Allegiant 678

The day finally arrived on Monday, November 17, 2008, when Ken Kohler and two organ techs from Rodgers Organs, St. Louis, showed up at 8 AM to deliver my new A678. After bidding a fond farewell to my 530 (already purchased by someone in St. Louis), the 678 was up and running in a matter of minutes. Following a quick demo of the major features, I spent some time hooking up the MX-200 and working through the menus to select my favorite tones. Being a Macintosh person, I don't usually read manuals, but figure out the set up by trial and error. I have to say that the menus are very well done (intuitive, as we Mac types say).

As an amateur woodworker, I love to build using oak (stereo speaker cabinets, desks, bookcases, tables, etc.). This console is very beautifully done with nicely matched and figured oak veneers. It was a pleasure to sit on a real wood bench and admire the construction of even that simple piece of furniture. I particularly like the dark wood insert that houses the manuals and drawknobs. I was concerned about not having the same tones of oak throughout, but this looks much classier. Heck, the console matches my oak furniture and kitchen cabinets, no less.

There were several surprises that are not even mentioned in the two summary pages on the Rodgers website: switches to shut off the built-in speakers, two switches for two sets of external speakers (that I already have). I'm beginning to think that you guys are either mind readers or actually listen to our suggestions, since I asked several months ago about how to turn off the built-in speakers on my 530 and suggested a switch for such.

Of course, the BEST feature of the 678 is the sound. It is awesomely amazing. I was up for 12 hours exploring possible tones and some tone combinations. I literally fell asleep at the console and when I woke up, thought it was a dream. Love the feel of the keyboards (surface and pressure sensitivity) and the drawknobs are very classy to a former tab-guy. The first piece played through my computer interface, using Sibelius software, was BWV 639, Ich Ruf zu dir, Herr Jesus Christ (MIDI from James Pressler's Virtually Baroque site). It is the best sounding version of this, my favorite quiet Bach piece, that I have ever heard. For many reasons, this piece touches me very deeply and had a profound effect on me.

I guess you could say that this whole experience has been a dream-come-true. I hope to spend many, many hours playing at the console and offering my humble tunes up to Him, from Whom all good things come.

Thanks, Rodgers.

John Bozzola
Carbondale, IL

Pledge of Allegiant

Hi John,

Thanks for the comments about your new 678. The new Allegiant series is the result of the dedication and hard work of the entire Rodgers team. Your enthusiasm is most gratifying! We wish you many years of musical enjoyment.

Best regards,

Roy

thanks

veri interesting, thanks, Mark

Where did the accessories go?

I am unable to locate the audio accessories (speakers, amps, etc.) on the new site. Am I missing something obvious? Thanks.

John Bozzola
Carbondale, IL

Accessories

Hi John,

We are in the process of updating this information and posting it to the web. You should see the information in about 2 weeks. Thanks for your patience.

Best regards,

Roy

Rodgers Organs at Lifeway Worship Conference

Each year the Southern Baptist Convention, in conjunction with LifeWay, sponsors a church music conference at Ridgecrest Conference Center in North Carolina, and another similar conference at the Glorieta Conference Center in New Mexico. I have attended the Glorieta event several times in my tenure, and have always been proud to see a large Rodgers Organ Installation in the Worship Center and smaller 2 manual Rodgers in the classroom areas. I'm very curious to know what has happened to this arrangement, as while perusing the website for LifeWay, I noticed that someone from one of our major competitors would be teaching at least some, if not all of the organ classes at Glorieta. What has happened to Rodgers at this event. Looks to me as if we're losing out big-time to thousands of church musicians who will be in attendance, to expose them to the wonderful product that I am proud to have the privilege to play each week. What's up? I'd like to see Rodgers represented at my denominational events.

Ronnie Johnston
First Baptist Church of Artesia
Artesia, NM

Rodgers Organs at Lifeway Worship Center

Ronnie:
The Rodgers organs that were used at Glorieta for many years were supplied through Tyson Piano and Organ company in Dallas, TX. The Tyson folks sold and installed many fine Rodgers organs of all types (electronic, pipe augmented and pure pipe) throughout Texas and Eastern New Mexico for over 30 years. When the owner of Tyson Piano retired, the franchise was obtained by another company. I am not sure who represents Rodgers is in your area, but I am sure that someone at Rodgers Instruments could provide this information. WIth that, you could contact the dealer directly where you could share your concerns. As Roy Hanson has pointed out, conventions and workshops like this are very expensive for not only Rodgers, but their dealers as well. WIth todays econimic climate they have to very carefully "pick and choose" which events to attend. I can understand your concern about the Glorieta Conference as it is a major event and I would certainly like to see Rodgers represented at this event.

Hi Ronnie, Thanks for your

Hi Ronnie,

Thanks for your post. Conventions are very expensive events to support. We wish we could support them all. It becomes a matter of economics, return on investment and allocation of marketing funds. Currently we are pursing new avenues.

Best regards,

Roy Hanson

The Prelude Series

Robert McMenis
808 @ church

I love the two Prelude organs. They have a lot of palette stops which means the Prelude has endless possibilities. With divided expression and crescendo optional and speaker systems from simple internal to elaborate external, the Prelude two and three manual is perfect for both a home organ (the stock model) and custom model for the cathedral. I counted the digital ranks as I would have had the organ on default on palette stops and my default specification had 49 ranks. Most three manual pipe organs I have played have had from 35 up to 56 ranks. With palette stops that surpasses 56 available ranks.

Two of the most important missing stops on the three manual are an enclosed Festival Trumpet and the two 32 foot pedal reeds, This is very easy to fix. On the one 32 foot stop simply make palette 2 which is vacant the soft 32 foot reed and palette 3 the louder 32 foot reed. I've noticed that one the 32 bombard is selected on our 808 adding the other 32 foot pedal doesn't add that much. The Festival trumpet and tuba are both unenclosed on default and palette one. One palette two and three I would give the option of being enclosed.

For me, I wouldn't buy an organ without divided expression if I could avoid it. But I have had organists that have always played an electronic with only one expression shoe and no crescendo. They had a difficult time. One even had the two expression pedals wired so they would always be at the same level. So there is a real need for those one expression shoe models.

I am wondering if I would prefer the three manual prelude customized with all the missing palette stops filled in with stops of my choice over the 928 stock model. That would especially be true if I could add more channels. The more channels that the organ uses, the more pipe like the sound is as stops are added to the ensemble as we can hear those stops coming from various places throughout the organ installation.

I could definitely live with the three manual Prelude customized to my specifications with 28 main channels. Done right each principal stop on the manuals would speak through its own pair of channels giving real pipe organ sound. All the other stops would have to be added in a way to make it less apparent that the stop was borrowing the principal channels. The strings for instance can speak through the 8 foot principal channels. The flutes can be divided out to speak from the 4 foot, two foot and mixture channels. The reads can through audio mapping speak from all over the organ and sometimes speaking from more than one set of channels, especially the solo reeds. The Festival Trumpet can speak through all channels thus not needing special speakers just for the Festival Trumpet unless a person only wants the Festival Trumpet speaking from the rear of the church with the rest of the organ in the front.

The layout I have given would make a fantastic second to none organ for anyone as each person or church can customize the specification making each organ truly one of a kind. Yet the cost might very well be competitive with the stock 908. We have to remember what size three manual pipe organs are. Once a three manual organ reaches 49 ranks, quality and stop choices become much more important than adding more divisions and more physical stops, (not counting palette stops here as they are all part of one physical stop.)

However, when the Sahara desert freezes over and Rodgers decides to put our names in a hat and the winner gets the organ of his choice, I'll take the five manual please. One at home and one at the church.

Rodgers needs to add that record feature to the existing Masterpiece lineup ASAP. Do I use it that much? No. But it is a selling feature. We all just kNOW we are going to use it every Sunday. I haven't used it in months. It is like the Zimbelstern.
I love that stop, but I would never make an organ choice based on that one stop. It is an organ to be played live. Still, church committees are overcome with bells and whistles that sound marvelous that the organist will never use. Then they talk (as in outvote) the organist into buying the organ with some new toy instead of the one that really sounds like a pipe organ.

It is after all a live fine pipe organ that we are trying to simulate. Rodgers is doing an incredible job of bringing this down in a price range for more churches to enjoy.

The Prelude Series

Your observations on one's concept of "the ideal organ" are interesting. However, does your Rodgers 808 have the optional MX-200? I have one on the late-model 805-C at the Church where I am organist. The additional pipe organ ranks are valuable tools to expand the resources of Rodgers organs. For example, at a recent Rodgers workshop which included "tips and tricks" on using the MX-200, I learned to change 16' stops on the MX-200 into 32's (and it works even lower, too). I don't have a Festival Trumpet on the 805-C. With the MX-200, that's not a problem. The Royal Trumpet on the MX-200 (which I have heard is sampled from London's Royal Albert Hall) makes up for it very nicely and it's under expression. My point? Get an MX-200. You will find it adds lots of "bells and whistles" to your Rodgers 808. Now only if my Rodgers Trio could be retrofitted for MIDI. But, that's another story.

Cheers!

Mark H.